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On 1st page of google - NO sales. Now what?
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Author:  larsentim [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  On 1st page of google - NO sales. Now what?
Hi - I've been creating my first mini site group of products (I've made all 5 mini sites - and the mother site - which I had problems with because I didn't see much documentation on creating the mother site - perhaps I've missed it?)

Anyhow - I've just checked Google - and for 3 products, I'm actually on the first page (which I think is pretty good!) BUT I have had NO sales. At least - on the Amazon earnings summary, there's several clicks (probably from myself) but no sales.

What am I doing wrong? Could I show someone my sites - perhaps I'm missing something, or perhaps it looks too cheap or spammy? I don't know. But I've spent considerable time into this (even though it says this is fast, I've found that it's taken a LOT of time out of my day to do these). I've basically got nothing to show for this, but some hosting costs and a lot of time. I've got to be missing something :) I've been making squidoo pages, to better my link juice. And I might start cloaking them - but if being on the first page of google isn't bringing in sales, I don't know if anything will help?

I guess I'm just out of ideas....
Author:  tarview [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:13 pm ]
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Sales come from more than just being on the first page of Google. In fact, all other things being equal, your exact listing spot (#1, #2, etc.) can have a large bearing on whether or not people even see - let alone click - your listing.

But being on the first page is definitely a GOOD thing, so you should be proud of that accomplishment.

Like you said, the layout, copy, color scheme, etc. can also make a difference, so it would absolutely be a good idea to let us have a look at one of them.

You should add your link to your signature and reply here.
Author:  larsentim [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:21 pm ]
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I added my website to the website portion of the profile (and also to my signature.)...

Anyhow - It's the 'mothersite' of the minisites. I wasn't sure how to make the mothersite - but the minisites - which I made all links in the navigation - those are all made to specs listed in the sneaky system. It's funny - I noticed that the two sites that aren't on the first pages of google - those weren't added to google analytics.. Wonder if that helps that much? Well, in case it does, I've added them to analytics. So yeah, I'd be appreciative if you could give me some pointers on how to get more traffic (there's no traffic going to these sites -according to analytics... Maybe 12-20 visitors - probably from myself. :)
Author:  ansubchaudry [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:46 pm ]
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Is there a demand for them?

Picking the wrong products can be a huge mistake.

Keywords? Maybe you picked the wrong keywords?

Site description?

To see if the visitors are unique record the IPs and look at the IPs.
Author:  larsentim [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:51 pm ]
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Regarding whether there was demand for them - I picked printers and scanners that were best sellers on Amazon. Regarding the keywords - I used a few different keyword research programs to pick those - made sure they all had decent search activity. Site descriptions - I used SEO All In One to make sure each page had a relevant description.

Not sure if it's the SEO of the pages that's wrong or if it's just the products I chose. But it's been a few weeks so I'm guessing something is wrong??
Author:  tarview [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:59 pm ]
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Okay, I chose one of your mini-sites and checked the data. Here's my evaluation.

The site design is excellent. Good color scheme; easy to read.

Your meta tags are all great. No problems there.

In fact, from a technical standpoint, this is probably one of the best sites I've ever seen - including those I've made myself!

But Ansub might be on to something. Just because they were the best selling scanners and printers, does not mean there is a demand for scanners and printers. We need to check the search engines for that (provided you are expecting your customers to visit your site from there).

According to Google, demand seems to drop after December (to be expected since December means Christmas). Google's average search volume is 22,200 (per month) based on data from Nov. 2007 to Oct. 2008.

So if you got 1% of that, that would be 222 visitors per month. Which is about 7-8 a day.

Now let's assume a 1% conversion on those visits. (Some people will tell you to expect higher, but we're going to be realistic with our numbers.)

That means you'll average a sale once every two weeks.

Not money to retire on, no; but it's also not something you should ditch.

Think about the ROI. Okay, you paid for the system. But that money gets spread out every time you create a new site. Eventually, the cost of the system is nothing, so let's not even consider it right now.

You're other investments are: hosting, domain registration, time.

The time investment is kind of like the system investment. The more sites you create, the faster you'll get at creating them. Eventually, the time investment is a minor consideration.

See, we're thinking long-term here.

Now, as for hosting and domain registration, I don't know who you're going through, but I don't know ANY hosting and domain reg services that are what I would call "expensive."

You've got a good investment there. Hang on to it.

Your next step should be to find another product and repeat the process. Only this time, see if you can find a product with more demand.
Author:  ansubchaudry [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:04 pm ]
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Tim, excellent post.

To become wealthy you have to think logically and in practical terms. You have demonstrated that.

I think you will make money.

Check your google trends next time. Go for high dollar ticket items and best sellers but check google trends too.

Good Luck.
Author:  larsentim [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:37 am ]
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What about the mother site? I was unsure how to make that. Did I do alright? Or am I missing somethings?

Thanks for your help!! Really good to hear.
Author:  larsentim [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:19 am ]
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And thanks a lot for your critique of my mini sites. That really helps and gives me more motivation to keep at it. To be honest - All the time I put into this, with nothing to show for it - really irks me. But from what you guys said about this needing to be the RIGHT product to promote (not just a best seller) - makes sense. Hopefully I can find a better product to promote next time. I'll definitely check out google trends (I thought I did, but maybe I missed that part). Do you have any suggestions for a product ... perhaps even a category that has been known to work well with this type of system?
Author:  LuckyYank [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:01 am ]
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Picking the wrong product can lead to wasted time.

I only promote products that must be purchased online and are somehow related to money, relationships, or health.

An example lesson from personal experience:

Poor product choice:

I developed 20 lenses for a major construction-equipment manufacturer. I performed extensive backlinking and I rank #1 with quite a few of my lenses. The search volume is pretty high for some of my phrases: from 2k to 10k per keyword.

Conversion rate: .03% - I average one sale in every 300 affiliate clicks.

Excellent product choice

I developed two parasite pages for a hypnotherapy product. I did not perform any backlinking or SEO whatsoever; those two pages get nothing but random traffic.

Conversion rate: 6% - I average one sale for every 16 affiliate clicks.


Of course, there are a lot of other factors that should be taken into consideration. But my honest opinion is construction tools was a stupid product choice and the hypnotherapy was an excellent one.
Author:  ansubchaudry [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:26 pm ]
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^ Yank,

put some subliminal messaging, covert hypnosis & NLP.

Your conversion might rise to .06%.

better to have 1 sale every 150 visitors.
Author:  hummba [ Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:43 pm ]
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I think you should wait and see how it goes. Let it ride so to speak because it looks good.

also, maybe I did not notice but a sign up form needs to be all over that thing so you can get the sale off an email campaign.
Author:  madevine [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: On 1st page of google - NO sales. Now what?
larsentim,

i'm interested to see how things are going for you now...

Matt
Author:  socjojo808 [ Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:
tarview wrote:
Okay, I chose one of your mini-sites and checked the data. Here's my evaluation.

The site design is excellent. Good color scheme; easy to read.

Your meta tags are all great. No problems there.

In fact, from a technical standpoint, this is probably one of the best sites I've ever seen - including those I've made myself!

But Ansub might be on to something. Just because they were the best selling scanners and printers, does not mean there is a demand for scanners and printers. We need to check the search engines for that (provided you are expecting your customers to visit your site from there).

According to Google, demand seems to drop after December (to be expected since December means Christmas). Google's average search volume is 22,200 (per month) based on data from Nov. 2007 to Oct. 2008.

So if you got 1% of that, that would be 222 visitors per month. Which is about 7-8 a day.

Now let's assume a 1% conversion on those visits. (Some people will tell you to expect higher, but we're going to be realistic with our numbers.)

That means you'll average a sale once every two weeks.

Not money to retire on, no; but it's also not something you should ditch.

Think about the ROI. Okay, you paid for the system. But that money gets spread out every time you create a new site. Eventually, the cost of the system is nothing, so let's not even consider it right now.

You're other investments are: hosting, domain registration, time.

The time investment is kind of like the system investment. The more sites you create, the faster you'll get at creating them. Eventually, the time investment is a minor consideration.

See, we're thinking long-term here.

Now, as for hosting and domain registration, I don't know who you're going through, but I don't know ANY hosting and domain reg services that are what I would call "expensive."

You've got a good investment there. Hang on to it.

Your next step should be to find another product and repeat the process. Only this time, see if you can find a product with more demand.


That's great info. You seem very smart:D! Thanks!
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